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Lessons Learned From a Plane Ride from Hell

Tuesday, June 13, 2006

posted by James

Greetings!  Hope everyone's enjoying the summer season, hopefully getting away to somewhere bright and beautiful.  Before Amy returns this week, I thought I'd share one last story for you, about my trip to somewhere bright and beautiful: Fiji.  It doesn't deal directly with guys, but it will help you develop the attitude you need to get, and maintain, them.   So let's get to it. 

There are countless books that discuss the importance of a positive mindframe.  For me, I particularly like Dr. Susan Jeffers' "Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway", which shows how positive thinking can totally turn your fears into strengths, and make just about anything possible.  As she says, "What positive thinking does is offer a power boost to help you handle whatever life gives you." 

As we know, the world of relationships "gives" us lots of things–not all good–so it's nice to have a "power boost" from time to time.  Maybe you need a "power boost" in how you approach guys.  Or how you deal with rejection.  Or just how to deal with the man you have!  Whatever the case may be, there's no limit to the power of a positive mindframe.

In my girlfriends' and my case, positive thinking has really enforced and strengthened the bond we have.  Dealing with bad breaks and obstacles has made our love truly bloom.  I particulary remember a huge fight we had last year.  On the face of it, it was ugly, disruptive, and saddening to both of us.  A "glass-half-empty" person might see it only in shades of bad; after all, we did almost break up.  But the "glass-half-full", or "even glass-COMPLETELY-full" person would see that, out of it, we were able to deal with some serious issues, and make a newfound commitment to each other that continues to this day.  While pessimists might see the thorns around the rose, I see the flower that blooms into something beautiful.  These thorns may be prickly, but once you look a little deeper, you find something beautiful; in our case, a love that blooked into an engagement.

Our most recent experience was The Babies, and Plane Rides, from Hell.  While Fiji itself was full of fun, optimistic things–the beauty, the friendly people, the amazing weather–GETTING THERE was, well, not quite so "rosy".

It all started with the 3:30 am wake-up time.  Guess that's the price for a cheap flight…waking up at an ungodly hour for a 6:20 am flight.

"But we're saving money," we reminded ourselves.  As crummy as it was–and man, was it hard to wake up!–we've learned to see the silver lining in every cloud.  It makes the dark clouds of life a lot brighter.  And getting through hard times shows you have the commitment to each other to wade through thick and thin.

Of course, this commitment, and our overall sanity, was tested with the aforementioned Plane Rides from Hell.   Notice it's Plane Rides, plural, because on both flights, to Fiji and back, we had to deal with the SAME EXACT TWO, count 'em, TWO hellacious babies from hell.  Not only did we have to deal with these nightmare infants once, but we were moritified to see them ON OUR RESORT for the full six days and on our same flight back!  Desperate for a few hours' sleep, we got maybe five minutes' worth, each way.  All because the brats' parents were clueless.  There are safe, legal drugs to knock babies out on long trips, but these parents obviously didn't care about their fellow passengers, because they did NOTHING about the infants' infernal screams.  About the only people who got sleep were the incompetent fathers, who peacefully slept through the whole thing.  Maybe these guys thought they were the babies.  Ladies, do NOT marry these kinds of men, for the good of flight passengers in particular and humankind in general!

But as a wise man said, "The good news is, The bad news can be good news."  Just like our big fight from last year led to our positive talk about issues we needed to address, dealing with these brats made us talk about kids–never an easy subject.  I've always been a bit weary about having kids, while Jen has always been gung-ho for children.  I never thought I'd want to have little Jamies and Jens to take on a plane, but seeing the bad parenting on the plane made me realize I could do much better.  It made me realize that I could be a good father, and I have no doubt Jen could be a good mother.  We talked about this on the island for those six days, and it made us love each other so much more.  The upcoming marriage was really going to be a journey, a fun one, that both of us were in on together.  Strangely, it took the frustration and anger of clueless parenting to make me see that having kids might not be so bad.  You can imagine how great this made Jen feel!

On top of that, we realized just how precious was the time away from the hellraisers on the island, just ourselves and no one else.  We had considered going with other people to the island, but having the sweet privacy on a gorgeous island, made the trip all the better.  We were truly meant to have some time alone and find out more about each other.

So don't always look at the "bad" things as always bad.  Maybe you broke up with a guy you absolutely slaved over.  But what great things did that lead to?  Often, a break-up or divorce makes a woman (or a man) realize what she was missing out on, and leads to her finding herself.  I know so many women who have bloomed into beautiful people once they left the guys who might have been gorgeous and good in the sack, but were really holding them back.  And ultimately, life is about discovering things, great things, not limiting yourself.  Sometimes all you need to do is open your eyes and "smell the roses".

As Elebert Hubbard said, "Positive anything is better than negative nothing."

20 Comments

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Comment by A mother

June 14, 2006 @ 1:14 am

This is a most offensive story, would advise his fiance to revisit her decision. This author has such little empathy for infants on an plane that he would describe them in such a way: “brats” “hellacious babies from hell”. The babies were probably suffering inner ear discomfort from the pressure. I suggest that he have no children of his own and stay far, far away from mine. Please remove me from your mailing list.

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Comment by Cherie

June 14, 2006 @ 3:51 am

This article disgusts me. Drugs for babies? Why don't you smart "grown-ups" take some drugs so you can sleep through the babies' crying, if you're so smart? You were both babies once, too, as was every member of the human race. I would dump a man with that kind of attitude toward children ASAP; whatever you do, don't reproduce with him. He'll be the wonderful kind of guy who will divorce you because you can't "keep the kids quiet" while he watches football or whatever. I'm off your list, today, please.

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Comment by Lisa

June 14, 2006 @ 5:13 am

Obviously the writer of this article does not have children, nor is at all sensitive to the outcome airline cabin pressure has on an infants ears! Come on…if you are that self-absorbed, I’d hate to be the woman who is unfortunate enough to be in a relationship with you.

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Comment by L

June 14, 2006 @ 5:51 am

This article is a joke. Thanks for making me laugh.

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Comment by Susan

June 14, 2006 @ 8:30 am

I hope Amy takes this article off her site when she does come back. Really negative and ignorant viewpoint about something the author clearly has little knowledge of. I don’t have children, and the idea of drugging up your baby in order to keep other passengers happy is simply mind-boggling. I had the exact same experience a couple of weeks ago on a flight (they were in the row behind me) and was amazed at how well the parents managed to remain calm and not stress their baby more. I totally agree with looking at all things positively, but maybe instead of criticising the “clueless” parents, you could put yourselves in their shoes a bit and imagine how hard it must be for them on a long-haul flight trying to calm a baby who is clearly suffering from air pressure and discomfort just like any other adult passenger, but unable to express itself in any other way.

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Comment by Andrea

June 14, 2006 @ 9:52 am

I was looking forward to joining your e-course but today was very disappointed with the message I received. It is not easy travelling by plane with young babies, I found this when I married a man of a different nationality than myself. Whilst American culture is different in this regard, in Europe we do not routinely dose young babies with drugs to knock them out to convenience the adult population. As for safe and legal drugs; we have all read the stories of various medicines that after (sometimes) years of use they are deemed dangerous with serious side effects (aspirin a particular case in point here which is now never recommended to under 12s where it used to be common practice). Most sensible people I believe would err on the side of caution and where possible use more natural methods when dealing with a small, new, fragile human life.

Perhaps the positive thinking of this person could take a leap further and consider how stressful the journey was for the mothers of these infants. What distress these babies (‘brats’????) must have been undergoing perhaps with the air pressure causing them considerable discomfort in their ears.
I am sure every parent who has ever had to travel with young children has experienced the tutting and annoyed glances from similar unsympathetic travellers who only serve to put more stress onto the harassed parent which can only make the situation worse.
Perhaps these adults who can’t cope with human life below a certain age should opt out of society further -I am sure there are holidays that cater for these miserable individuals. And hey, if not – they could always pop a sleeping pill themselves whilst travelling.

For the rest of us well, I recommend Italy and Turkey as countries that are very welcoming to children.

Anyhow, it seems this guy now thinks he might have the making of a great dad (but to quote the author of a child rearing book I once read ‘I was a perfect parent until I had children myself’) and maybe we will have the pleasure of seeing him one day on a plane enduring the dirty looks of others when he is struggling with a baby who cannot be calmed. I wonder what positive outcome he will claim to have found then.
I am sorry to rant here – am not normally such a loon -but this guy really hit a nerve with me.

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Comment by Mark

June 14, 2006 @ 4:28 pm

I know where you are coming from James, but I don’t agree. I was on a plane where there was a baby crying in front of me and it was ok for the first hour, but then it became frustrating.

Just like you I was frustrated, but didn’t say anything.

Anyway, some other guy did say something and made the mother cry because she had been so stressed about it, and if you are like most guys, seeing her cry was enough to change my mind about it and be a little more understanding about these things.

Good on you for expressing your opinions, I love your other blog posts, but this one I have to disagree with.

Just wait till you’re a parent! 🙂

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Comment by Sally

June 14, 2006 @ 4:32 pm

I’ve been enjoying your other blog posts too, but think you should be more understanding. There are a lot of single mums like me who didn’t like that last post!

What I want to know is…

What does your fiance think of this? Where’s her post:)

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Comment by Shannon

June 14, 2006 @ 4:34 pm

I think some of the readers might have read this guys comment out of context, and I think some of the comments have gone too far. Has anyone thought of the discomfort the passengers on these flights must have felt? A few minutes of crying is bearable, but several hours without finding some sort of solution?

It makes me wonder what sort of pain the child was in, and why the mother wasn’t better prepared for the flight home. It’s certainly not in a baby’s nature to cry and scream for hours on end without a reason. I feel sorry for the baby!

I’m a mother of two children, and when one of my babies was teething on a flight, my pharmacist recommended Pamol, an infant version of paracetamol to ease his discomfort. I would be too embarrassed to try flying without it.

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Comment by Mary

June 15, 2006 @ 1:27 am

While I appreciate hearing others’ perspectives, and am glad that he shared an “a-ha” moment, it just seemed so self-absorbed, like — you’re only getting this now?

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Comment by ami

June 15, 2006 @ 1:47 am

I am a female, and I feel the same way as the author. Unless there is an ABSOLUTE EMERGENCY, it is wrong to take a baby or infant on a plane. It is unfair to both the baby, the parents and the passengers. The author did specify that he was going to FIJI, and they stayed at a resort. Anyone who takes their baby on a five-or-more hour flight to vacation is a jerk. Again, I don’t want to piss off all of you parents, but it’s one thing to fly somewhere for a family event, it’s another to take a baby to Fiji for vacation. Besides, how can you enjoy your vacation with a baby in tow? Leave the kid with ur parents for a few days, if you can. Or, don’t go to Fiji till the kid gets older. It’s called sacrifice, and every parent has to make it sometimes. I travel for a living, and I have very rarely seen babies or infants on planes. Inner ear cabin pressure? Don’t let your baby fly. Ask any pediatrician, it is not recommended to fly with a baby. The author is not insensitive, just a normal human being. How would six or seven hours of a screaming baby in a small enclosed airplane sound to you? Nice vacation, huh?

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Comment by Susan

June 15, 2006 @ 2:59 am

I think most people have reacted strongly to the rather insensitive language used by the author, ie “brats” and “hellacious babies from hell”, and “clueless parents”. Regardless of what people might think of taking kids on planes, I don’t see how this kind of attitude from a guy regarding babies can be of any help to a site aimed at helping women in their relationships. The author claims that this article “doesn’t deal directly with guys, but it will help you develop the attitude you need to get, and maintain, them”. What exactly is the link between having a rant about babies in a plane and criticising “clueless” parents, and developing the attitude you need to get a guy and keep him? Sorry, I just don’t think this article has its place on this specific site.

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Comment by Jeanette

June 15, 2006 @ 3:02 am

I read most of the comments on this story, and it seems interesting to me that people are so upset about James’ perspective on what to do with the crying baby (perhaps this child suffered from colic) and almost nothing was said about what this incident did for James’ relationship. The article is about what this incident did for the relationship, not James’ inexperienced and joking manner on how to deal with a screaming infant.

I realize James was joking about using on drugs (I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t use some on his own babies), and his description of an infant “from hell” just puts into perspective what the experience was like. I’ve gone through the same experience, ALL NIGHT LONG, with my own siblings! Yes, the constant screaming did seem hellish, though I have no plan to go there (hell).

Thankfully, I have children of my own, and I have been blessed to have babies that were as perfect as babies can come.

Good for you and Jen, James, that you were able to use the experience as a sounding board for communication, which led to a deeper, more intimate relationship with each other.

Honestly, I had a few laughs. Life cannot be taken too seriously. We all need to learn to look at the whole picture, not just one or two pieces of the puzzle.

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Comment by Cathy

June 15, 2006 @ 5:14 am

I agree with the author. I am female and do have children. I NEVER travelled by plane when they were infants. It’s too hard on them (because of cabin pressure problems which older children and adults can deal with by popping their ears), and, it’s unfair to the other passengers who are in a tight, enclosed area, with no way to escape the crying of an infant. If parents are going on a vacation, esp out of the country, leave the baby with loved ones at home. That way the parents can enjoy THEIR time, and passengers won’t have to suffer the ordeals of an infant who doesn’t understand travelling etiquette.

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Comment by Jane

June 15, 2006 @ 9:04 pm

I will say that the article was great as in looking at every negative side with positiveness I actually saw a light at the end of the tunnel after reading the article take for instance the last paragraph. But still I do not agree with James calling those innocent babies “brats” or “hellacious” I do believe however, that those kids were not just going through stress themselevs but must be distressed undergoing the air pressure caused on them. Druging children should not even be mentioned least you will be lynched. The parents epecially, the mothers I believe are the least comfortable people on that plane. So please, lets mind the language we use here. Another suggestion, I think we don’t really need a man’s write up here.
Thanks.

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Comment by CC

June 16, 2006 @ 4:16 am

After reading the comments, I had to write.

First, James should be able to express his views, as we are in making our comments.

I recently was in a very expensive restaurant with friends and the young baby beside us cried for over an hour. The mother and father did little to comfort the child. The wait staff asked repeatedly if they could do something to help. The mother replied “No”. In the end, a woman walked over to the couple, expressed her concern for the crying baby and how she felt it was rude to continue to let the baby cry. An argument resulted, but finally the couple with child left. Almost every patron in the restaurant stood and applauded as they walked out the door.

Is problem the crying child or the parents? Should the parent in the restaurant comfort the child and maybe one parent walk with the baby to the lobby to calm the child? In the plane should mother have seen a doctor before the flight for options? I am a terrible flyer and often take something for nausea and sleep a flight. Why not the baby?

I did a small poll at work each mother said they used something for a baby to sleep. Funerals, teething, long car rides and just to get some sleep, were some of the reasons. As one mom said “No one ever talks about this, maybe once of twice for sanity, I did.”

James, I support you and your right to have your own views. More than anything, I WANT A MAN”S VIEW!! I am single and want know how men think. Any insights are very much appreciated.

Thanks

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Comment by mary

June 17, 2006 @ 1:06 am

I would like to give Kudos this this man for atleast being honest about how he feels about things. I know alot of people took “personal” offense to it, but how many times have they dated a guy who pretended interest in what they like only to find out later that it was not true. I know I have to be honest.
And when i was younger, I thought ALL kids were “brats” “monsters” and all too. That I admit. Until I decided I wanted children and i changed my mind. When you are not around children 24/7 or even once in a while, its hard to see them as other then brats, with frustrated mothers and the father no where around……..
Anyways, I for one, appreciate an honest, upfront male. not someone telling me what they think i want to hear…..

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Comment by G.

June 17, 2006 @ 3:23 am

I took an 8 month old baby on a 1 hour flight to relocate home as I broke up with my partner. I made sure taking advice from a baby book in travel section to go to great lengths to get the baby to suck on something during takeoff and landing, (bottle, dummy, or chewing something)etc. I had a lovely couple sitting next to me. The husband next to me was so helpful. He insisted that I have a cup of tea or coffee while he held the baby and entertained him by talking to him. They had a grown up barrister son in America with several degrees, and quite brilliant. He told me how his son had the same shaped head as a baby as my son, and a school teacher had said that his son would be brilliant when he grew up because of the shape of his head. His wife was in a high up position connected to health. These were intelligent mature people who made me feel comforted, not sat in the background giving out negative thoughts and looks in my direction. New faces can fascinate babies and gives the mother a break. I would never have taken him on a long flight just for a holdiay, at that age, til he was older. Thats ridiculous. Not on the plane flight but at other times, my baby would scream when I changed his nappy or sometimes for no reason at all throughout an entire apartment block, which was very embarrassing, as he was very well looked after and absolutely doted on and extremely loved. Lucky all my neighbours were friendly. I also think James is being very immature and selfish, and has a lot to learn if he thinks he is going to make a great parent. Think outside yourself and go and help someone. Society can be isolating for new mothers as it is. Babies do not deserverve to be drugged. They should be comforted. amused, and for possible colic, sit or hold them upright. This is supposed to help the painful air bubbles escape.

Comment by Joku

August 31, 2006 @ 12:27 am

Children..
Why is it that no-one can say out aloud what most people think – because it is politically incorrect? We all think that our own child is special, but it sure can be a brat in other peoples eyes.

It wasn’t childs fault that it cried, it was the parents fault that they took the child to the place (the trip to resort wasn’t obligatory) especially without consulting for example a doctor what they can do to help it.
I can still remember how bad it hurt my ears for hours, when I was around 7 when we flew 8 hour trans-atlantic flight… Never would I put my child through that agony without doing something to help it. Not both ways.. unacceptable if the same happened on the flight back.

And not having a man writing here.. I hope he writes, we do need other than “female” view. What point is listening only those who are in choir singing the same song? What new is there to be learned?
I like men, I like to know how they think..
He might be “immature” but that is what most people are, women included.. when I read those first comments up there, I remember again why I seldom like my own sex. More immature text is seldom seen than what those mothers sprouted from their fingers…

Comment by Jen (James' Fiancee)

September 30, 2006 @ 11:30 am

Hello all you mothers and non-mothers out there:

This is Jen, James’ fiancee. Yes, we’re still happily together and I 100% agree with his right to express himself…although not quite the extremes of “hellacious babies.” I can’t quite see us having kids anytime soon. 🙂

Let’s get things straight though: The flights, both of them, really were HELL. The father did what no other passengers could do: he SLEPT! Not only that, he snored. LOUDLY! All while the incompetent mother sat and did absolutely nothing, even as the flight attendants asked if there was anything they could do, while gritting their teeth.

So, I know someone is sure to comment on my “incompetent mother” comment. To that I say, No, I don’t have children, but I grew up with 2 baby sisters and all my friends have children that I watch for long periods of time. I KNOW how aggravating it can be when a baby is crying in a public area and it really WILL NOT calm down! But my mother and I at least TRIED to calm my baby sisters. This mother just sat there. Additionally, at the resort, we’d hear the baby crying from nearby and the same mother sat there reading a book, completely oblivious. Now that isn’t just incompetence–that’s bordering on NEGLECT. I, too, felt sorry for the baby that whole week. It clearly was not enjoying its first “holiday”…and neither was anyone on the flights or resort!

As a woman myself, I want to make things clear on this issue. I myself DO want children one day, and have close friends with young children. NONE of them would have subjected the passengers to what we went through on that flight, nor that whole week at the FIJI resort. Loving Ami’s point that when you have children, you have to SACRIFICE for several years. You should take other travellers’ comfort into account. THANK YOU for expressing unselfish regard for other passengers, Ami.

How, exactly, is a one-year-old child going to enjoy a one-week holiday at a HOT and HUMID resort? It went from 20 degrees Fahr. to 95 degrees! Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t quite see how subjecting a baby to these extreme conditions is fair. Am I missing something?

Addressing the drug issue: my best friend took her 9-month-old daughter to meet her grandparents in Africa: two flights, 10 and 13 hours each! Because she HAD TO, out of regard for her daughter’s health AND other people’s comfort, the doctor prescribed a small dose of Phenegen. This meant she was calm and slept soundly for that majority of those awfully long flights. In this case, she was young, but they HAD to make this trip. James was not meaning to harmfully drug the child, just give it something calming. Most baby medicines have a relaxant in them which to be in a baby medicine, are clearly approved by the FDA.

Okay, so this is a relationship website, and relationships involve working as a team, and a lot of sacrifces. Somehow, sleeping and ignoring your wife and baby does not constitute team work to me. To all you mothers out there, I pray your partners give you more support when you babies are disstressed than I witnessed in this father. (not that the mother was even attempting to settle little “Elouise”)I know it’s harder than it looks and the reason James and I are getting married is because we look out for each other. Even though he may not be ready for children now, I know that when the time comes, he would not have been snoring on that plane. (Trust me, I wouldn’t let him!)

To all you fathers: please help your wives! Whether you’re the entire breadwinner or not, you still need to help out with your children. For those 40 hours a week you’re slaving away at work, your wives are working just as hard with a bundle of energy who does not allow for coffee breaks and 1-hour lunches!

I really hope the nightmare couple is reading this blog. They can learn a thing or two about supporting each other and having consideration for other people! I, for one, wouldn’t do to others what I wouldn’t want done to myself.

Thank you for giving me a chance to be heard.

Jen =)

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